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Ep 134: Choosing Uncertainty Over Staying Stuck - A Conversation with Pamela King

• Megan Devito • Episode 134

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Pamela King spent 15 years teaching high school history before making the leap into entrepreneurship as a “small business optimizer,” helping business owners streamline their systems so they can focus on the work that really matters. Her story is proof that big career changes are possible—even when fear, doubt, and well-meaning advice try to hold you back.

Here’s what her journey teaches us:

✨ Your skills are more transferable than you think – Everything you’ve mastered in one career can serve you in another.
✨ Other people’s anxiety isn’t yours to carry – Pay attention to when their fears are shaping your decisions.
✨ A "full body yes" is worth listening to – Sometimes your gut knows what your brain is second-guessing.
✨ A solid exit plan takes time – Big transitions aren’t usually overnight; they require patience and strategy.
✨ Small steps ease the fear – Start networking, document your skills, and explore what’s next at your own pace.
✨ Entrepreneurship is all about uncertainty – Growth comes from learning new skills and embracing the unknown.
✨ Privilege plays a role in career shifts – Being honest about your circumstances helps you plan realistically.
✨ You don’t have to do this alone – Finding support from others on a similar path makes all the difference.

If you’re ready to stop overthinking and start actually enjoying your life, join Ambitious Overthinkers Anonymous, my monthly coaching community—or let’s talk about one-on-one coaching for more personalized support. You don’t have to figure it all out alone!

You can connect with Pamela using these links:

www.linkedin.com/in/pamela-king

www.pamelakingconsulting.com

IG- @pamelakingconsulting



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Megan Devito:

Hey there, welcome to the More Than Anxiety podcast. I'm Megan Devito and I help ambitious women break out of the anxiety spiral so they can stop overthinking and actually enjoy life. This podcast is all about real talk, simple shifts and light bulb moments that'll change the way you think, feel and show up for yourself and everybody else in your life too. You'll get straight up truth, actionable steps and the inspiration to finally break free from the stress and second guessing. Let's get to it. Hey everybody, welcome to episode 134 of More Than Anxiety.

Megan Devito:

I'm so excited to be able to introduce you to Pamela King today. She's going to talk to you all about what it was like for her to shift her career, how she managed all those big emotions that come up and what she does now that can help you feel solid in whatever your career is and to help you manage the big feelings of changing careers. If that's on your plate, whether you choose it or not and I know I've talked about this a lot recently, but it's because you all keep bringing it to me on those Boundaries and Balance audits and in our coaching together. So let's keep talking about what it feels like to want to make changes. So, Pamela, welcome. Thank you so much for joining me.

Pamela King:

Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to get to talk with your audience. I've enjoyed our little behind the scenes conversation, so I'm thrilled to get to share with everyone.

Megan Devito:

Now tell us a little bit about what you do and your story.

Pamela King:

Yeah, so I call myself a small business optimizer. I am not a coach. I come on for short-term contracts and I help small businesses with the operation side of things so setting up systems, templates, sops, building out the framework, so that way they can really best leverage a virtual assistant, an online business manager, freelancers, any other staff. So people work with me in short-term, targeted contracts for just a couple months, the same way you'd work with an architect to build out that framework. So then things are really solid and that way you can successfully delegate, actually free up your time so you can stay in your zone of genius.

Pamela King:

But I, you know, originally I taught high school history for 15 years and ended up helping a friend. She was a realtor and she her business coach told her it was time to start bringing on an assistant hosting client appreciation events. But she was overwhelmed. It was all she could do at that time to keep her head above water. I didn't think anything of it. I just thought I was helping out a girlfriend.

Pamela King:

So I agreed to have me come on for the summer, let me build these things out for you and that way you can see what life's like when you really have help. So we did that for 10 weeks. At the end of the summer I went back to the classroom and she was able to really successfully slot somebody in because of the framework I'd built. So she passed my name along and at a certain point I realized hey, this is a business. So almost four years ago now, I stepped out of the classroom and fully into entrepreneurship, which, as you mentioned, is a very scary emotional transition. But it's been wonderful and I wouldn't do it any other anything differently now.

Megan Devito:

I think it's we've so much in common in the things that we're looking at here. So Pamela and I have talked and so we were both like former high school teachers. Both of us taught history and I think there's this, there's this thought a lot of times when I mean especially people who are in education and we, we get into this. It's almost like this weird club where it's like, oh, you're a teacher and like you're supposed to be this forever. And maybe this isn't specific to education, but it's been my experience leaving the classroom and, um, where we've kind of been pigeonholed to like, oh, it's because you love what you do, and there's, there's all these thoughts and feelings and emotions that come up. And sometimes we take that, um, and think like, when I'm a teacher, what else can I do? But I love that you, you called yourself an architect, tell me more.

Pamela King:

Well, thanks, um, Um, it's because what I love is coming on for the short term. My mom calls me Mary Poppins. The idea that she brings me

Megan Devito:

That's a great thing to be

Pamela King:

Right. I love love to come in just for a few weeks, build out the framework, kind of untangle, whatever messes we find. And then I'm not the forever person. You know you might want to hire a virtual assistant, an online business manager like a sub agent. Those kinds of people are your long-term people. I really love the problem solving. That's why I like to do these short-term contracts and then move on. New client, new, new puzzle, new mess to undangle.

Pamela King:

um, and that just really is. It really lights up that parts of my brain. The same way education did was like okay, if this is the goal, how do I reverse, design it right? How do we break it down? How do we make it actionable? I was for a lot of my time I was the regular teacher in an inclusion classroom, so it wasn't just just, hey hey you learn my system system it was what can I do to help you? How can we figure out how your brain works and how can you best navigate this material? So that is something that I really enjoy and something I carry on with me into my work. And there are so many neurodivergent entrepreneurs so they need somebody who's going to say I understand you and we're going to figure out something that works for you. It's not you buckling down and learning my system.

Megan Devito:

Yeah, and being in that place where I mean as a teacher, knowing like hey, I've created for you know, created curriculum or lessons for 30 different brains at like this lesson, 30 different brains, so being able to take that skill, I think it's just so important what we might think, where we may be, pigeonhole ourselves into saying, well, this is what I do, whether whether you're a teacher or you are a lawyer or anything else, you've got skills and so you took that ability to say, oh, I see what's going on here, this is what we're going for, let me create a system for it

Pamela King:

Yeah, and so that's so fun for me, and I think that's something you know you and I, when we were chatting, talked about. We see so many people say, well, all I know is education. What else, you know, I'm not equipped for anything. And that's not true. Like everything is learnable and skills are transferable, is so powerful and could be used in so many other things. You could be a great project manager, you could be a great virtual assistant or online business manager. You could help with you know operations or supply chain. There's so many ways to use those same skills, that those teacher brain strengths that we think of, oh well, that's easy. Oh well, that's not a big deal. Or, oh, everyone can do that, and that's not always the case. Those really are really marketable skills that can absolutely be used in a variety of ways.

Megan Devito:

Yeah, I used to be involved in this group on LinkedIn and it was, it was a group created specifically, I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head, but it was a group created specifically for teachers that were trying to decide whether to stay in the classroom or to leave the classroom, and it was a big support system of of just teachers kind of support each other, no matter what they decided. Obviously, I don't think you or I either one of us, are saying, hey, guess what Teachers jump ship, go for it. It's going to be amazing because there is a lot that's going to happen inside your brain and inside your body when you decide that you're ready to explore something else.

Megan Devito:

What was that like for you? Because I know what it was like for me.

Pamela King:

Yeah, it was intense and, I'll be honest, it took me a few years before I even really did it. My personal journey, 2017, I now can say I realized that I wasn't happy, but I wasn't ready to say that out loud, and at the time I just started saving money for a rainy day, whatever that would be. I now know that that was, you know, kind of building up some reserves for me to step into entrepreneurship, and I don't necessarily think entrepreneurship is for everyone. Some people might, you know, be happier taking a corporate role or something else, but so I was saving money, I was, you know, helping that friend, kind of building that. And then 2021 is when I made the big leap. And not only did I have to overcome my own personal anxiety. I'm not married, I don't have any kids so luckily, I was able to make that decision just truly on what was best for me, without those other outside factors. But my friends, my family, everyone thought I'd lost my mind.

Pamela King:

That you know this is education and it's safe and you'll never have your summers off again and you know all the things, all that whole thing, all the things that we do when we start freaking out about thinking about leaving.

Pamela King:

Right, as though I hadn't already thought every one of those thoughts Right? But and it was. You know, what about insurance? And what about it's going to be so scary, it's going to be so hard? What if you can't get clients? You know all those things and something you know you and I had shared was that I had to kind of listen to myself and realize that's not my anxiety, Like those are questions and I kind of know the answers, but that's my mom's anxiety, that's my friend's anxiety and they love me, it's coming from such a kind place. But to really listen and know those aren't my feelings, and especially for someone who's an educator, as we talked about, someone who's more empathetic, who does pick up other people's emotions, I would you know. And so I kind of hid, I wouldn't answer the phone because I was like, yeah, I can't do this right now, Not today. I can't talk them down off of this. That's really what we're doing right.

Megan Devito:

I think it's so powerful. I shared with Pamela yesterday that when you are a highly sensitive person or when you are more I don't want to even say empathetic, because my hope is that everyone can find empathy inside them but if you are someone that tends to absorb other people's emotions like a sponge that's not always a we like to talk about having those boundaries around like our emotion. You can't fix it, but there is something to be said for people who do have that in their nervous system where they're like oh my gosh, I just feel everything so intensely. So when you are talking to someone who loves you so much, who's like, but you know what, it's so secure. You don't want to be destitute, right, like you're not gonna have any money. What if you don't have any time? And they care about you, they love you so much, and this is true whether you are leaving.

Megan Devito:

You know again not speaking just to teachers in this podcast, by any means but if you're a corporate lawyer and you're like, you know what I really think. I want to take this glass blowing business or whatever it is that you do, that you love, and I want to make it a thing. There are going to be people in your life who have the best intentions for you, who are going to give you all of the negative feelings. I think it's so powerful that you would be able to say that you were able to say, oh wait, those aren't my emotions, because sometimes for some, for some people, that's really hard.

Pamela King:

It is hard. It was hard for me too, but at a certain point I had to learn that, because it would be like why am I so elevated? Why is this so intense right now? And it was those. Those, the whatever barriers they'd bring up, were all things I had already thought of or come to peace with, or had a plan. And it was just learning to say you know what? It's going to be okay, it'll be all right. And even if it is scary, or even if it is, it's going to be okay, it'll be all right.

Pamela King:

And even if it is scary or even if it is uncertain, I'm choosing that uncertainty rather than feeling stuck. That they're both uncomfortable feelings, yeah, but for me the uncertainty is a preferable kind of discomfort versus the stuckness. So, and it didn't have to make it doesn't make sense for anybody else, and it doesn't have to make sense. And that's something that was hard too, because I've always been the good girl who follows the checklists and does what everyone cheered me on. You know, it was easy.

Pamela King:

It was logical to do something risky, to do something illogical, to put myself into such an uncomfortable position, was a huge mindset change and a lifestyle change. But I love it and that's the good news. Now it's been about four years and actually my mom's apologized to me, where she's like you know it was. You know it's not that cause people. You know some of her friends were, you know, more supportive than she was in some ways, um, but you know she's like I see it now. I was just scared because I knew that this wouldn't be easy and I never want you to be in a in a tough spot. But she's seeing that like, like I said, I'd rather have that uncertainty than the stuckness, and so that has been huge.

Megan Devito:

Yeah, and for people who are listening to this that are in that place, you know what she's saying that feeling inside of you that you're like I have to get out, and there's part of you that's like but that's a crazy thought, or but it's safe, it'll never work. I'm so scared. That's just your brain trying to keep you exactly where you are. And that's what brains do. They don't like brains do not night like in certain blah blah, blah Blaine. I don't. I'm not able to talk today Apparently.

Megan Devito:

Brains do not like uncertainty and they do not like change. So it makes sense that their brain is spinning out of control, trying to protect you because you're the baby right Like, you're still your mom's baby and your brain's going to do the same thing sometimes. And it's really valuable At least it was for me to be able to say I hear myself thinking this, any anxious thought that you have. But then ask yourself, whose voice is that? Yes, because a lot of times, like for me, I was extremely close with my grandmothers and in the sweetest ways, my grandmas would give me these, these messages that they loved me and they wanted to be, to feel happy and to feel secure. But that messaging did not hit and I'm like, oh no, that's my grandma's voice and so being able to separate that out is so huge. Kudos to you, because it feels real.

Pamela King:

Thank you. Yes, and it took years. So you know nothing. I didn't jump into any of this. So you know and I think that's part of it too is like it's okay to kind of build an exit strategy For me. I was saving money kind of secretly, which is people don't tell that part. You know, people love to say I walked out the door and I built a six figure business and I've never looked back Like, and that's wonderful. But depending on your lifestyle, your circumstances, it might be a side hustle for a while. It might be taking the time to save your money and, you know, build and so that's all good too. I think the problem is sometimes you hear those like overnight success stories. You know, I just had $10 in a dream and I, you know, in one month I changed my life. That's not my experience. I feel like those stories.

Megan Devito:

That's their actual experience, right, right, I'm like, no, that's not true. It might feel like that. Right, I think that it. Probably. We always have this gift of hindsight where you're like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I did that. It was like I left and then boom, but I'm like, yeah, but all of these things that you were doing, maybe even without realizing it, and so, um, when you say exit strategy, sometimes that exit strategy even starts with just noticing that you're really discontent, or like I'm angry, or I'm sad, or I'm you know, I'm I'm crying into my lunch or taking naps in my car, or I'm you know, I'm entertaining, all of a sudden, like I've never spent any time on LinkedIn or Indeed. I don't know why, even know why I'm there. There's a reason you're there, because subconsciously you're looking.

Pamela King:

Yes, yeah, I think so too. I think that's it. Or having those conversations about what would you do, or, if you went back to school, what would you study, you know? Oh, that's a big one, yeah.

Megan Devito:

I think that I don't know. My first major in college was physical therapy and I remember them saying now so I was at IU and they said now we take about 22 out of 250 applicants. I'm like, oh no, I'm not going to study that hard, I'm not going to do that. Like that seems like a lot of math. At that point in my life I was in like the worst phase of like my anxiety disorder ever and I was like a hundred percent, that's not happening. So I was like what could I do? And I had always been good with kids. So it seemed like an obvious answer. But when I look back over all these things that I wanted, it makes so much sense why I am where I, why I am where I am right now.

Pamela King:

Yeah, yeah, that's it. I think it's always interesting. You know, I I'm not a regret person. I would. I would, don't. You know I'm. I'm grateful for my 15 years in the classroom. I'm so happy to have helped and served those people. They have such a big part of my heart. But it's also okay for something to not be forever too, and I think that's, or that you're, not a failure. I mean, I guess I am a quitter because I didn't quit, but you know like that word has such a negative connotation and I think it's okay to say, hey, I did that for 15 years, but now I'm in a new chapter. Instead of it being too bad or it's a moral failing, I think we're allowed to live multiple lifetimes, try different things, and this new thing doesn't have to be forever either. Something you and I discussed is very few people are going to end their career with 35 years of service and a gold watch Yep.

Megan Devito:

It's okay, yeah, and for me, when I think about that, I'm like but aren't they bored? Like, aren't you bored? And maybe that's, I don't know Like I just think that we're always growing, we're always adapting, we're always learning these new skills. So, obviously, when you started your career in education, you didn't maybe, I don't know, did you entertain the idea of starting a business. Did you always know that you were going to be great at organizing?

Pamela King:

No, not at all and I was terrified of entrepreneurship. I had worked at a local sandwich shop in the summers and I remember hearing the it was a husband and wife like the woman was like crying doing the books in the office. I remember thinking like I never want to that inner knowing and I think it's okay to like what feels right, what feels like yes, and you just sort of follow those little breadcrumbs and so no, like I said, none of this was an intentional thing other than I'm just glad that I did say yes and be open instead of saying well, I can't, or I could never do that, or that's for other people, or I'm not brave, or I'm not an entrepreneur. You know all those, you know negative messages I could have listened to.

Megan Devito:

So yeah, and another thing that I know that we I think it was you and I that spoke briefly about knowing a yes and knowing a no, like how to be able to say, like, how do I know? Because sometimes, you know, and when you feel anxious, it's actually excitement and our brain just misinterprets it Because those feelings are it's the exact same emotion, it's the exact same chemical reaction. Right, it's just what we're thinking about. It Like I'm so anxious for this party tonight, or, oh my God, I'm so anxious about this party tonight. Whatever, it's the same thing. Just decide what you want to think. So when you started noticing that it was time to go and that you were going to make these changes, you just decided to interpret it as, yeah, this is something to explore. So we talked about this and I know that. Explain what that felt like for you.

Pamela King:

Yeah.

Pamela King:

So you know it's hard to explain it, other than for me it is calm and it is what I call a full body.

Pamela King:

Yes, and I've experienced a few of those in my life, when I was, when I found the house that I bought. Um, you know, when I figured out this business, I just recently, uh, found a person I'm going to work with as a coach, and it's because I was like you know, I've looked, I looked at a million houses, I've met with a thousand coaches. But when you find that right person, you know they say when you know, you know, I've looked, I looked at a million houses, I've met with a thousand coaches. But when you find that right person, you know, they say when you know, you know, it's just like the calmness, the noise cuts out and that's just like that's a yes, that's a yes for me. So for me, that's my experience. I don't know, you know everybody's going to be different, but for me it is that full body. Yes, and that doesn't mean that there's not sometimes little questions in the back of your head, but it just feels so certain.

Megan Devito:

Yeah, and that's really valuable. And I just knowing that you're you know, and yeah, those questions are going to keep coming up because your brain will keep doing its thing. It's going to try and sabotage you every single way, but you get to choose what thoughts you want to keep and which ones you want to throw in the trash, right? So every time, if your body is saying yes, if your body's like yes, this I mean, and you're leaning into it, but your brain keeps saying, ah, not so fast. You're probably going to be broke and have to live on the streets. Or oh, did you want to go back and live with your parents in the basement? Or you know you're going to fail.

Megan Devito:

This is obviously a terrible idea. You're going to be embarrassed. This is going to be a nightmare. It's just your brain talking and if your body is screaming to move forward, you have to be willing to take that risk and live with that uncertainty Because, like you said a few minutes ago, you're choosing your hard. Do you want to feel this resentment and cry in your lunch every day, or do you want to be scared and build something that you love?

Pamela King:

Yes, that's. It is like everything is hard. You choose the hard for sure. Yeah, and it is. You know, yes, there's going to be the little doubts, the little questions, but it's amazing, you know, when you, you know power through them, or you say, nope, I could follow this. Yes, I know this is the right move and it's OK. Even if it's not, I'll pivot. So if it is, for some reason, this business failed, fine, then I'll do something else. You know, like, there is a whole world out there and that it doesn't have to be binary, it doesn't have to be success or failure, yes or no. So I think that's a lesson I had to let myself live as well, to be like well, I'll figure it out. I don't know, but I'll figure it out.

Megan Devito:

Yeah, I love this resilience that you have on the uncertainty thing. It's something that I think that so many people we do so often we want to know. Is this the right answer? I mean, I'm so guilty of this. I'll decide as soon as I know it's the right answer, but I'll entertain everything a hundred times before I ever get there. But it sounds like that decisive action is not hard for you, Like when you know, you know.

Pamela King:

It's yes, and it's funny because I wouldn't have thought that of myself, but there have been circumstances when I do it, and every time I do it I'm so glad I did, which then fuels me the next time. I feel that full body. Yes, I'm like. Here it is again. I love this feeling. This is it.

Megan Devito:

Like I'm going to ride this wave because it has always served me well, yeah, and finding that evidence too, that I always call it like this Easter egg hunt. We're always playing an Easter egg hunt with ourselves, right, and we do it with Taylor Swift all the time, like we're looking for her Easter eggs, right, but we have to look for our own too. Like Ooh, she's going to release that RepTV um, but we're doing it in our own lives. And if this is what you know, if this sounds like something that you guys want, if you're like no, I really, really want to make a change, or I'm terrified, I'm going to have to make a change. If you're afraid you're going to be laid off or anything else, let's start collecting evidence of what you're good at, what's actually going well for you, what you know. How can we already see that you've got skills that you may not recognize in yourself? So what have you learned about yourself since leaving and starting this business? Oh, gosh.

Pamela King:

Um, yeah, I would say you know what's fun is that I've built out skills. I think so Well, so in Brave, not Perfect, Reshma Sajjani. I love that book. Everyone should read it.

Pamela King:

But it's specifically about how we have.

Pamela King:

You know the messaging girls receive, and that girls don't try things unless they're pretty certain they're going to ace it right away. Like you know, like I'm I'm not a math brain, so I don't do anything. That's strong in math, so right. But what it is is that you actually can learn that everything is learnable, that you get better. So, like, that's part of what's fun about entrepreneurship is not only hey, I'm great at organizing chaos and that's what I do for people, but if you're going to be an entrepreneur, it's like, okay, you've also got to be the accountant and you've got to do the marketing and you've got to do the sales and the PR. You know I'd like all these other pieces, so it's making me do stuff that I'm not good at.

Pamela King:

I'm not good at social media, I'm not good at those things, but it's not terrible and I'm getting better. And I'm not good at those things, but it's not terrible and I'm getting better and I'm learning and I'm trying things. And you don't have to be perfect the first time out, and you know so. And pretty much every day, one way or another, whether it's for a client or myself I say, well, I've never done this before, but that's a fun, exciting challenge, versus the kind of groundhog day feeling when I was feeling stuck, when I could tell you oh, I ate lunch at 11:13. Oh, I'd be at Chapter 9, French Revolution, on October 10th. You know it was so hard. I love that uncertainty, but I also understand entrepreneurship and that level of uncertainty isn't for everyone Right.

Megan Devito:

It is definitely not for everyone.

Megan Devito:

And honestly it's, I think that it's an amazing thing and I think we can all do it on some level. I mean, I guess, technically, if you are having a garage sale, you're being an entrepreneur, right, like little kids have lemonade stands and they're being entrepreneurs. So maybe on some level, but there is definitely a, you have to have some risk aversion, like you have to be willing to take risks, you have to be willing to do really hard things and be uncomfortable, and there's kind of a level of privilege there, right, like I I know the reason I'm able to do what I do is because I have a lot of people supporting me. Yes, so I think so too.

Pamela King:

Yeah, have a lot of people supporting me. Yes, so I think so too. Yeah, no, go ahead. I could see that too, that like the privilege of my household just being me. I'm, you know I'm. I didn't pull children off of the good health insurance. That would have been a different conversation, um, and I was able to save money for five years before I left. That gave me, you know, sort of a cushion. That's maybe not something everybody else can do, so there's definitely that. Excuse me, I'm coming over a cold so I apologize, but I think not everyone has to. You can still take the small steps and see things as you go, so it could be saving money. It could be, like you said, getting on Indeed or on LinkedIn, just building a network. That's something you could do, even if you're scared or you're uncertain or you're worried, maybe, that layoffs are coming. You know that's something you can do proactively. That might help you feel a little more in control.

Pamela King:

To remove some of that fear and just liking and commenting and connecting with people. You're never going to regret that you did that, whether your career changes or not. So I think those little steps, making lists of what are your skills um, you know the specifics of what you're doing, oh, you know, okay. Oh well, I, you know I rewrite, you know, for uh, insurance contract, okay, well, on average, what's a typical day do you do? Do five a day, okay, so you're, you know, a hundred rewrites a week, like that's a powerful statistic if you know how to shine the right light on it. You know those kind of things. So I think that that all that, those things, can help you and whether that's you kind of finding your interests and your strengths or marketable skills or stuff, if you need to put together a resume, it's all still good. So just gather that data to have in your back pocket.

Megan Devito:

I love that you're organizing people right here. I love it. You're giving them the steps Way to go teach, yeah. So, um, how do people connect with you? And if so, let's say that we have someone listening who's like no, I know that I, I want to change my career, whether it's I want to leave education or I want to leave something else, and I need help getting organized. Yeah, can they reach out to you? Is that something they would do.

Pamela King:

They certainly can I will say I do know some great career reinvention coaches who are possibly even a better fit than me. But, yes, I love to talk to people. So, you know, find me Pamela King on LinkedIn is going to be the strongest Pamela King Consulting on Instagram as well. I love connecting, I love talking and you know anything I could do to help people. But, yeah, there's and there's amazing resources on there for transitioning teachers, people looking for new careers. There's a, there's a lot of resources. So step one is just get on LinkedIn or, you know, on your, on Indeed, indeed.

Megan Devito:

Yeah, I have to admit I've never looked on Indeed. Indeed, yeah, I have to admit I've never looked on Indeed, yeah, I've never done that. So I will be sure to put all of your links and everything in the show notes and to connect people with you on LinkedIn so that you can network out and they can network through us. So if you're connected with me on LinkedIn, if you are connected with Pamela and we have crisscrossing, it's funny how many times I will click a random name and be like, oh, I can't believe I actually have a connection with this person. It's like that seven degrees of Kevin Bacon, or whatever that game was that I used to play.

Pamela King:

Just like that it happens yeah. It really is and that's it and that's how we found each other was on LinkedIn Like it is. You know, it is amazing. There are resources there. It is amazing there are resources. There's so many warm people willing to share and, you know, sending love to all of you who are in those. I know exactly how tough those feelings are. Everything you want is on the other side of this fear.

Megan Devito:

I could say that for certain. It's a great, terrifying, exciting place to be.

Pamela King:

It really is.

Megan Devito:

And I hope that for whoever is listening, if you are feeling uncertain about what's happening in the future, whether you choose it or it's forced on you, there are a lot of really good stuff really on the other side of that fear and I understand the fear is real. Let's learn how to calm that down. Let's learn how to manage your body so that you can think clearly, because if you are feeling anxious and stressed, your brain is just scrambled eggs. It's a mess. You don't wanna deal with that kind of thinking, so we can learn how to do that. You can talk with Pamela about getting organized and about her steps and what she did and how she can help you wherever you are in your business. You can talk with me about managing stress in your business. You can talk with me about managing stress, anxiety, overthinking, and there's so much support out there. And if you are looking for other coaches or other people, connect with us on LinkedIn and we will show you. Hey, do you know this person? We'll make introductions for you.

Pamela King:

Happily, happily. Yes, yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate your time and getting to be in front of your audience and, like I said, I'm sending them all so much love and support. I know exactly how terrifying all of that can be.

Megan Devito:

Thank you for being with us. I just love this. Hey there, before you go, I just want to say thanks for hanging out with me on More Than Anxiety. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe and leave a review so that other people can find it too. And if you're ready to quiet your mind, stop overthinking and actually enjoy your life, there are two ways I can help. One I have a group called Ambitious Overthinkers Anonymous. It's my monthly coaching community where you'll get live coaching, real talk and a super supportive crew who get it. And the second way is through one-on-one coaching. So if you're ready for a deep, personalized support to help you feel calm, confident and in control head over there, you can find both of these places in the show notes. Just click the link and let's talk.