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Ep 105 - Healing Anxiety Through Nutrition and Subconscious Reprogramming with Dekeira Horne

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Meet Dekeira Horne.  In this episode Dekeira is sharing her expertise as a registered dietician who focuses on mental health and specifically anxiety relief through nutrition and inner healing.

In this episode, Dekeira shares her expertise as a registered dietician who focuses on mental health and specifically anxiety relief through nutrition and inner healing.

She shares her personal story of overcoming anxious attachment, revealing how she used manifestation and subconscious reprogramming to achieve inner peace.

You'll learn about attachment styles—secure, anxious, and avoidant—and their profound impact on relationships. Dekeira also shares her practical tools and insights to help you feel more confident and at ease.

We explore the intricate connection between diet, bowel health, and anxiety, emphasizing the importance of regular bowel movements and essential nutrients. Understand how specific vitamins and minerals, like magnesium and vitamin D, play a crucial role in managing anxiety.

Dekeira also offers healthier coping mechanisms, including meditation and subconscious reprogramming, to replace ineffective ones like avoidance. This episode is filled with valuable resources to guide you on your journey to better mental and emotional well-being.

Learn more about Dekeira's work, her resources, and connect with her HERE.

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Megan Devito:

Welcome to the More Than Anxiety Podcast. I'm Megan Deito and I help ambitious women break out of the anxiety cycle that keeps them frustrated and stuck. Get ready for a lighthearted approach that will change what you think, how you feel and what you believe about yourself. This podcast is full of simple steps, a lot of truth, talk and inspiration to take action. So you walk away feeling confident, calm, and inspiration to take action. So you walk away feeling confident, calm and ready to live. Let's get to it. Hey there, welcome to episode 105 of the More Than Anxiety podcast. This week. I am so excited to introduce you to Dakira Horn.

Megan Devito:

Dekeira is a registered dietitian and a nutritionist. She has her master's in science and dietetics. She specializes in mental health and gut health, and she is going to talk to you all about how eating right can lower your anxiety. She's going to tell you her story on what worked for her foods that are really rich in certain minerals and vitamins that can help your body relax and how to help your brain think more clearly. She teaches this through manifestation. She has a 21-day plan that's really going to help you launch into feeling amazing, and she has so many incredible resources that you can use to feel less anxious, to learn about manifestation and to really get to a place where you're feeling great.

Megan Devito:

I loved talking with her. She's such a sweetheart and I will, of course, put all of her links to all of her products and how you can work, get to a place where you're feeling great. So enjoy the episode. Yeah, I love it when that kind of stuff happens.

Dekeira Horne:

That's amazing, it was crazy, yeah.

Megan Devito:

So now you get to go back, and that's so good. I love that, so I love to hear people's manifestation stories and to just hear, like tell me all the magic that worked out for you. I think that's awesome and I love that you get to do that trip.

Dekeira Horne:

Thank you

Megan Devito:

That's so good. So is this like manifestation? Did you learn this a long time ago or is this a new thing?

Dekeira Horne:

So I learned this last year I had I was going through my first adult breakup and it took a really big toll on me because I have a history of anxious attachment style; not anymore, but I was previously anxiously attached and my partner was avoidant. So you already know how that goes and caused a lot of turmoil and trauma and stress in my personal life and the breakup just hit me really hard.

Dekeira Horne:

So it was my first time going on like a an adult, like deep inner work, healing journey and at first I was looking at just like relationships, relationships of how to heal my attachment style, looking into what are the causes of being anxiously attached and things like that. And then I started looking into, I stumbled across like more spirituality, stuff like feminine energy, healing and stuff like that. And then I remember stumbling across manifestation and the fact that I could get whatever I wanted by changing my mindset and I love for things to go my way anyway. So I like this is like literally perfect for me. So I just got into that and then ever since I've just been like obsessed with it.

Megan Devito:

Yeah, yeah, so for people who don't know what, can you explain attachment styles? So I think there's what, four or six? Something like that. But when you talk about anxious attachment versus avoidant attachment, just so people understand, wait, I've heard of this but I don't know what it is. Can you explain it just a little?

Dekeira Horne:

Attachment styles are basically how you function in a relationship and they can stem from multiple different things, like whether how you were raised. It can actually be genetic. It can be passed on to you through your mother's womb from the ages of zero to seven. There's lots of different reasons that cause a relationship attachment styles. Um, you can be securely attached, which means that you have a secure attachment with yourself and with other people you have. Um. You don't really have issues with trusting. You have a good communication skills.

Dekeira Horne:

You're emotionally available, emotionally intelligent enough to withhold a relationship. For instance, when you're anxiously attached, you have a lot of insecurities and anxieties around yourself, which gets projected onto the relationship. So you get anxious when your partner doesn't text you back on time, when they don't call you back on time, when they um, when they accidentally fall asleep on you, if they flake on, if they say something that triggers you. That can be like um, that can show up as anxious, having style or being really clingy and overbearing and always want to be with your partner and being afraid of not being with them and always being scared. That one disagreement means that we're breaking up and like being just like overly on edge all the time in the relationship and just being very hypersensitive to your partner's actions, their words um and how they are. Versus avoidant, which is the complete opposite, where you literally don't even think about half of the things that you should be thinking about in a relationship. You're mainly focused on, like, your feelings, not getting hurt, um keeping distance between you and your partner.

Dekeira Horne:

You're more emotionally detached um you're not that intact with your emotions, especially when it comes to dealing with conflict. Um, you may freeze, you may run away from conflict, you may avoid conflict. You may not even know how to communicate during times of conflict. Um poor communication skills in general, lack of emotional intelligence, so that just those are the basics anxious, secure and avoid it. I know this. Careful, avoid it and dismissive. Avoid, I'm not too. Yeah, sure those are, but I think dismissive is when you just like shut down and fearful. I'm not too sure. I don't want to get the wrong definition, but those are like the basics of the attachment styles.

Megan Devito:

Yeah, I think that's a good background because I think we talk about those or we read, or maybe it's just my Instagram feed, where you know, once you get on a roll, you get on a roll and everything starts showing up. So there's all kinds of things out there about attachment styles and I know there's books on it and things like that. So is that? Do you feel like that's a lot of your background, like if you were to talk about your history of anxiety and like like how long has it been going on for you or how, what got you to where you are right now?

Dekeira Horne:

You know those, ever since I was sexually active, which was, um, the summer before college, up until last year that was like a six-year time span of me being sexually active, that's when I realized I had an anxious avoidant - sorry to actually avoid it - an anxious attachment style, because I would get attached to every guy that I was talking to or sleeping with and it didn't really make sense as to why I was getting attached to like majority of them. So that's when I realized it. And then I also I kind of pieced them all together because it was like I was having anxiety in different areas of my life.

Dekeira Horne:

So I would have anxiety with, like relationship, men and sex, but then I would have generalized anxiety from, like, going on a plane or like, um, walking certain neighborhoods or being out at nighttime, or just I never really felt safe in my environment and I never really felt safe in my own body. And then when I realized, when I learned about the attachment styles, I kind of just pieced it all together that I've experienced anxiety in all areas of my life, my whole entire life. So I just have anxiety like all across the board that I need to work on and heal. So that's how I kind of got into the healing work of healing anxiety, but I forgot what your question was. What was it again?

Megan Devito:

Yeah, just really kind of your history with anxiety. No, you were on it, Like you said.

Megan Devito:

I started then and then looking backwards, so yeah, do you feel like I know that you and I, when we talked previously I I said I don't know, mine was just - I was eight years old and what the heck it was. Just, it was just part of who I was at that point and mine, I think, is really just being like super sensitive and, hindsight, probably some ADHD in there that was undiagnosed at that point and still. But but for you I know that we talked a little bit about you said like growing up maybe there was, you know, just feeling like you had to be careful when you were walking places and things like that.

Dekeira Horne:

So yeah, so I grew up in Brooklyn and the area that I grew up in was not the safest and my parents, my parents, were separated, so my dad lived with like by himself and I lived with my mom and my grandma. So from second grade going up I had to be responsible for my little brother and I walking home from school. My mom would walk us to school, but walking us home - Sorry if you hear noise in the background I would have to walk us home. And so I was always like scared of anything happening to me, my brother, because I was responsible, and there's always like shootings nearby and like just lots of different crime and stuff. So like I was already paranoid as it was because of that. And then my mom always, even till this day, she only like watches the news, so the news is always on, so I was constantly seeing like negativity and violence and killings and stuff. And then she would always, always watch law and order also. So I was just constantly seeing crime on tv and then knowing that it was happening around me and I was just paranoid like my whole childhood, like someone breaking into my house, someone shooting through the window, something, something happening to us.

Dekeira Horne:

So that was the start of my anxiety, and then I just was always fearful of dying, I guess, because of that, and I never could die in like a crazy way. So I was very fearful of like car accidents or especially planes. I used to always have like diarrhea before flights because I would be so scared to go on the plane. My plane anxiety has calmed down a lot, but I would be very fearful of dying in any way possible.

Dekeira Horne:

It was to a point where I would literally cancel plans or avoid going to certain places or doing certain things, and with the fear in mind that if I do this I may die and it just, it's just, it's so overwhelming and like just annoying to live like that. I just want to live my life anxiety free and I know that it starts within my gut. That can help impact my brain, but also my brain cues a lot of rewiring as well through subconscious reprogramming tools such as like subliminal scripting, journaling, affirmations, things like that meditation. So that's what took took me onto this journey of healing my anxiety and it basically all started from childhood. Yeah.

Megan Devito:

I love that you brought up all these different things because I think that, even if your anxiety tends to focus on one thing for you violence around you, which had to be terrifying. As a kid, trying to walk home and keep your little brother safe and get yourself home safe, of course you were afraid of those scary things happening around you, and the mom's watching Law and Order and you're like, oh my God, it's everywhere.

Dekeira Horne:

Literally.

Megan Devito:

Yeah, so that is. I mean, I think that there's that. And then you know, when you're little and your brain's just sucking all this in and it's wired, wired, wired to keep you safe. So that makes sense. So I know for myself I had a lot of really really bad coping skills that I thought were helping me. What did you do that didn't work? Because I think it's. I think it's really important to know what does work for each person, but I think it's also important to know the commonalities of the things that we do that are just keeping us feeling really crappy and anxious all the time. So what did you do that was awful. I think it's so important for people to be like don't do this, this is bad.

Dekeira Horne:

I feel like what's okay, so with attachment styles like, yes, you can be anxiously attached, but at the same time you can also be avoidant, because they're both insecure attachment styles. And I feel like growing up, even though I was anxious, I was also very avoidant of my own feelings and other people's feelings. I did not care about anyone's feelings but my own, and even my own. I never even really acknowledged my feelings. I was just like living through life, oblivious somehow, and I I think that was my way of coping, because there wasn't anything I did specifically to cope with my anxiety. I just never even knew or acknowledged that I had anxiety up until my friend in college told me she thinks I have anxiety and she's here right now.

Megan Devito:

Oh, that's fun

Dekeira Horne:

Yeah, she's in the background, but she's the one that acknowledged that I have anxiety.

Dekeira Horne:

And I was like oh, because I was really stressed out one semester I was in 18 credits and my chest was hurting me and I felt like so weird.

Dekeira Horne:

And then I went to a school therapist and they helped for like one session, but otherwise I was just too busy to go back. But I never really did anything to cope besides just neglect my own feelings and feeling so like I don't, I can't, I can't say I mean, I definitely would not recommend doing that. I would not recommend doing because it led to me being very selfish, um, very just like in my own world, not caring about anyone else, cutting off a lot of people, um, ruining friendships. But I guess everything happens for a reason and those friendships obviously were not meant to be my life. But, um, it just took a lot of character development and learning more how to be more patient, how to not be so reactive, how to just calmer, um, but yeah, I wouldn't say I did anything specifically but be avoidant and I would not recommend that yeah, and I think that that's a big deal though, isn't it?

Megan Devito:

I mean, I'm talking with people and I say tell me how you feel. And they're like I feel bad, and I'm like bad, that's like a lot bad, bad like how. And so you know they'll say well, I feel guilty, I feel ashamed, I feel, you know, afraid, I feel disappointed, I feel whatever, and we just take all those things and we ball them into this big knot and it creates, I mean, anxiety. Yes, I mean, of course it's an emotion, but so often I think it is avoiding everything that we don't want to feel, and then it just all knots together. So, yeah, I mean you kind of hit the nail on the head. Yeah, I avoided everything that I felt because it felt bad. So, and because it felt bad, you were kind of stuck in it. So I know that you do a lot of work with gut health or with nutrition, but you said not dieting, no, strict dieting. So what do you do, like tell me about how you found that? How did you figure out that that works for you?

Dekeira Horne:

So in high school I was well technically middle school I had a skin condition called hydrogenitis and at the time there wasn't any information about it on the internet, like at all. So I would get like these very painful, like cysts under my arms and like in my groin area, like everywhere. I kind of walked for days, I'd have to miss school and it very painful. As a kid it made me very insecure and like very like depressed and anxious as well. So I was looking up how to heal it. And that's when I learned about the gut brain axis and how your gut is directly connected to your brain. So what you eat impacts how you think and how you feel and your emotions and stuff like that. So then when I realized that if what you eat impacts how you feel, then I can like make myself feel better and improve my memory through eating better. So I would do a lot of research on like eating better for my gut and healing my brain health and stuff like that. And that's how I came across it and for some reason that part of nutrition just stuck with me of being passionate about the gut brain axes, because even all throughout, like college and stuff my main focus was always on gut health, to improve your brain health. So I was always interested in like diseases such as like Alzheimer's, dementia, Parkinson's or just like memory loss, things like that, and I just found it to be very interesting. So then, once I got into like more mental health like anxiety, depression, um, ocd, adhd and stuff then I realized I can just help people learn how to eat better for their mental health.

Dekeira Horne:

Um, because a lot of people don't realize that the connection between your gut and your brain and so, um, they neglect that and they'll still eat like not how they're supposed to and experience anxiety and depression like that. But then you don't realize that it starts within the gut, which is like the starter for every like disease, infection, illness. It all starts within your gut. So once you can heal your gut, you can heal your whole entire body and your brain, basically. So I just find that gut health is really important for like everything. So, and in dietetics there's not really much focus on mental health. I only know a handful of mental health dietitians. So I thought it'd be cool to make my niche anxiety, so that someone can at least be looking up like anxiety free and I'll pop up and then they'll see that they can for their anxiety and it'll go away.

Megan Devito:

Yeah, and I think it's kind of this cutting edge thing too. I know there's just been research that came out recently that talked about calling Alzheimer's what is it? They were calling it diabetes type three maybe. And they're just talking about the connection between. Where did I hear this? I think I was looking at something. A friend of mine, her mother, has some sort of dementia and she eats a ton of sugar.

Megan Devito:

And I'm like no, I just saw a thing about the connection between your gut health and sugar and things like Alzheimer's, so I think you are in like the exact right spot.

Megan Devito:

And I love it that you're talking about gut health, because the best way that for me, when I think about it, it would be we know you're not supposed to eat a lot of cholesterol because your arteries get clogged. So what if you're not that your nerves can get clogged in the same type of way? But what if that's really the key? What if it's just that everything is clogged up and messy? So are you finding that there's specicif, cuz there's.. There's so many people that will say eat this, you know, do keto, do this, don't do this. What are you finding are the best foods or the best way to eat, maybe for you or for the people that you've worked with to help people say I don't even know where to start because everybody says don't eat this and don't eat this and there's nothing that you can eat except for lettuce or chicken.

Dekeira Horne:

I focus on what you can eat versus what you cannot eat. And before we even get into that, you were saying about being clogged. So being constipated actually can lead to anxiety, because when you're constipated, you have excessive hormones are supposed to be excreted through your waist, stuck in your body, like, for example, and if you don't excrete estrogen through your waist, it recirculates back throughout your body and that can cause estrogen dominance and that can cause anxiety. So, for one, going to the bathroom every day is really important for your anxiety to excrete that waste that can be causing excessive hormones to be circulating in your body, but also bad bacteria that's being stored in your body that can impact how much of the good feeling emotions you produce, like serotonin, dopamine, gaba, things like that. So going to the bathroom is really important, but when it comes to eating, there's a few macronutrients, vitamins, minerals that are really important for anxiety. So, for one, healthy fats. Healthy fats help to basically cushion the brain, helps to combat inflammation, and that can help with battling anxiety. Um, so healthy fats are omega-3s that come from like nuts, seeds, fatty fish, oils, avocados, um, things like that. And then you also have protein. Protein is a building block for certain emotions such as, I think, serotonin, because serotonin is made from tryptophan, which is amino acid which is the building block of protein. So when you eat more protein you can build, you can basically create more serotonin and other feel good hormones. Protein also helps stabilize your blood sugar, so it keeps you fuller longer and when your blood sugar is stabilized, your cortisol levels, your stress hormones, are stabilized, so that helps to stabilize your emotions in general. So having a sufficient amount of protein within your diet is really important, having a lot of unrefined carbohydrates that are rich in fiber, because fiber helps to go to the bathroom, which helps with, you know, alleviating, um, any anxiety symptoms. Fiber also produces short chain fatty acids which are very anti-inflammatory and really good for the gut and it helps to produce good bacteria in the gut which can produce more feel-good hormones and things and emotions. Um, fiber also just helps with other things that can alleviate, like health anxiety. So, like fiber helps with help with heart disease, it helps with lowering cholesterol and if you have health anxiety, that can make a really big impact. So fiber in itself also improves your mental health, which can come from unrefined carbs such as like fruits, certain vegetables, whole grain products, things like that.

Dekeira Horne:

And when it comes to minerals, iron is really important because iron deficiency, anemia, can be linked to anxiety because of the symptoms of like having like the shortness of breath your heart is racing, getting headaches, light head, dizzy those are all anxiety symptoms. So making sure that you're eating iron rich foods, such as like oh my gosh, such as like red meats certain legumes seeds will have iron in them spinach, certain leafy greens. And then magnesium is another mineral that's really important for anxiety. Specifically magnesium glycinate has been shown to reduce anxiety and help with sleep and insomnia.

Dekeira Horne:

And it comes to the vitamins vitamin b vitamins play a role in anxiety because it gives us energy. Um, vitamin d has been linked to anxiety, depression. If it's deficient which it can be deficient mainly in people of color, because the melanin in our skin blocks us from penetrating, so that can cause us to be more vitamin D deficient. And then vitamin E, k, and that's pretty much it. Also, having a deficiency in zinc, which is rare, kind of lacking zinc, can cause more anxiety. And lacking probiotics in the diet can cause more anxiety.

Megan Devito:

Yeah, and I've heard a few of those. But I think that that's a really great rundown of a list and for people just to know, I think that there's so many supplements out there and so many different things that like, ah, what do I buy? Do I buy them all? Do I take my pills a day? But I think that just that's a really solid list to look at. These are the foods that you can eat.

Megan Devito:

And if you you're like, no, forget it, I'm never going to eat I don't know spinach or something like that, then, okay, go find an iron supplement. Or if you, if you know that you work in an office all day and you're not going to be in the sunshine, go get yourself some vitamin D in a jar because you're not going to get outside. And something that I didn't know, that seems in my head seems the exact opposite. I would think that melanin would have more receptors and I did not know that it was blocking vitamin D. Like I would have thought that that would make it like, okay, now we have more receptors, but it doesn't. It's the exact opposite.

Dekeira Horne:

Yeah, wow. So the sun produces UVB rays and UVB is the one that does the vitamin D synthesis in the body, and so, because the darker the skin, it's basically harder to penetrate it, because basically, like, the more and the more of a barrier you have, yeah, which is why people of lighter color typically would get more sunburned and get more sun damage than darker people. Yeah, that's exactly why it plays a big difference.

Megan Devito:

That's so interesting to me, Cause I would have been like no, I feel like there's more receptors there, but it's not Okay, I'm learning all kinds of things today. Thank you, that's really good to know. So for anyone listening that you're like I don't know why my vitamin D is low. If you didn't know that, that's really good to know. That's important.

Dekeira Horne:

That I mean it's going to take either a little extra time or a little boost, a vitamin d from a jar or something you can always go to a doctor and get lab work for vitamin d, but some symptoms would be like your your body would ache, your bones would ache, um, feeling very tired, feeling very depressed for no reason, especially seasonal depression, and I think those are the main symptoms of vitamin D deficiency.

Megan Devito:

Yeah, that's so good to know. So do you have a favorite? Like when I eat this food, I just feel so good, because I do, and I wonder if you do. Like there's one food that I know that, if I'm feeling anxious or if I'm feeling kind of blah, if I eat sweet potatoes, I'm like everything in the world is amazing. Like I just feel really good and I know that they're good for your gut, but I liked them before I ever knew that. I'm like, oh yeah, that makes sense that when I eat this I actually feel really good, like even keeled and solid, and that for me that is my food. Like I love a sweet potato with chia seeds and peanut butter on it, which I know is weird, but if you put sweet potatoes and peanut butter.

Megan Devito:

together it's like dessert for lunch. It is so good oh wow, I would.

Dekeira Horne:

Yeah, I mean, personally I hate peanut butter.

Megan Devito:

So oh man, yeah, like that's. That was my lunch forever. I was like, yeah, I is what we did with peanut butter on it. It's like pie. I never thought of that. Yeah, do you have a food that you're like? Yes, this makes me feel really really healthy, or really even and good.

Dekeira Horne:

I feel like whenever I eat things that have magnesium, I feel better, because even I would take this supplement called the anine serine, and it was a magnesium-based supplement supplement, and when I took it, all of my anxiety symptoms would just immediately disappear, and that's like the only supplement I've ever found that made me feel like that. And I discovered it because when I was studying for my dietitian exam, I was having such bad anxiety, my stomach was hurting all the time and when I took that I automatically just felt better and I've never experienced that before.

Dekeira Horne:

And when I eat, like chocolate well, obviously you have to be mindful of chocolate that's very high in sugar and stuff but just things that have magnesium just make me feel better, like, even like in the Caribbean we drink this tea called cocoa tea, and it's raw cocoa boiled in water with herbs and spices and you add, like your own, milk and sugar, um, like. So just anything chocolate based, really, um, which is chocolate, is rich in magnesium. If it's like it's like the more dark the better. I think that's me the most is. Anything like that has traces of magnesium in it makes me feel better, which makes sense, because magnesium is responsible for over 300 um reactions that take place in the body. It's really important for your nervous system and just for your health in general. So I think anything with your magnesium.

Megan Devito:

Honestly, I want to try cocoa tea. It sounds really good.

Megan Devito:

It sounds really good.

Megan Devito:

Yeah, okay, I'm going to put it in my brain and I'm going to find it somewhere.

Dekeira Horne:

Yes.

Megan Devito:

Okay, yeah, that sounds good. So I know you have an app and I know you have a lot of guides and ways to help people. So how do people connect with you? What do you want them to know? What can you help them?

Dekeira Horne:

Yeah, so I have an app called the anxiety-free itgworl app. It's available on Google play in the Apple app store and it's an all inclusive mental health wellness app that has affirmations, subliminals, there's meditations on there, there's some healing frequencies, there's journals on there, so a bunch of things on my app. So all you have to do is just download it. It's free to download and it's free resources on there. But if you want to pay for the other features, it's $17 a month, and so I always add things to the app of adding things to it, constantly just upgrading it. If you ever have any suggestions, anyone that's listening to what you want on the app, I can make it and put it on the app. So that's my app. I love it. It has everything in one. And then I have digital products.

Dekeira Horne:

So I sell a seven for $7.28 manifestation scripting bundle packet with seven different scripting packets for manifesting different things and manifesting your anxiety away, manifesting your health anxiety away, manifesting away your financial anxiety and just other different prompts to help you script to manifest an anxiety-free life. And for those who do not know what scripting is, scripting is basically a form of journaling where you're writing out your desired realities, if it's your current reality right now, and what this does is that it tricks the subconscious mind to thinking that your desired reality is what your reality is right now, and that can help to bring your manifestations into your life faster. It can also help you to see evidence of your manifestations out in public. So scripting helps me a lot. I do it almost every single day.

Dekeira Horne:

It's how I got my luxury apartment, how I manifested $5,000 and a brand new job. It's through scripting. So I stand by scripting. I love it. This is why I created those scripting packets. And then I also have free eBooks as well. I have a free eBook called Mindful Practices that goes through different mindful practices you can do every single day to help alleviate any type of mental health distress, whether it's anxiety, depression, ocd, adhd. So those are my main products.

Megan Devito:

You are amazing. Like that is so much to put out into the world. Seriously, like I'm, like I need to use my brain a lot more.

Megan Devito:

Like that is so good.

Megan Devito:

Like, and I'm going to, I will.

Dekeira Horne:

I use my brain too much.

Megan Devito:

No, I love it. Like that is. I love it. I'm like oh my gosh, megan, pick it up Like stuff here. No, that is fantastic, and I'm going to put links to all of your resources, to your app, your eBooks and all those things, so I will make sure that anybody listening to this episode can definitely find those resources and connect with you. I know that you're on Instagram, you're on threads, all kinds of places, so I will be sure they can get you. It has been so much fun to talk with you. I just love it. I'm so glad we connected. Yes, me too. Thank you so much. You are welcome. Thanks so much for joining me, of course.

Dekeira Horne:

Thank you Bye.

Megan Devito:

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